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06:13:07
[watkinizer] kafa are still
there?
06:18:29
[c3po] good morning, early
riser
12:02:56
[Elixsilver] My timing must
be off...and YOU'RE in the wrong
room!
12:04:05
[Jeremiah] Which room is
George Wiseman going to be in
today?
12:04:13
[Elixsilver] Don't you feel
fuelish?
12:04:33
[Elixsilver] Mabey in an
hour...
12:04:52
[Jeremiah] yeah I know it's
an hour early
12:05:41
[Elixsilver] What is it/
Spring forward and Fall of the
Empire?
12:05:53
[Jeremiah] I was just
checking to see if this chat worked
with the QNX Voyager
browser
12:06:23
[Elixsilver] J_ you get any
of George's books yet?
12:06:36
[Jeremiah] Yes
12:06:58
[Jeremiah] I have 3 of
them
12:07:06
[Elixsilver] I've published
in the same fashion as
he...
12:07:31
[Jeremiah] And I have his
EFIE on my Geo Metro XFi
12:07:37
[Elixsilver] How many? read
it? Do it? Work?
12:08:04
[Elixsilver]
Great!
12:08:37
[Elixsilver] Chat
later...
12:09:08
[Jeremiah] My Metro has a
high powered ignition, a fuel
heater, a fuel catalyst, etc, no
water or BG injection, and gets
about 60 mpg
12:09:21
[Jeremiah] ok
12:12:59
[nssdiver] I'm just here to
check out and 'practice.' What are
you here for Jetemiah?
12:13:13
[Jeremiah] same
thing
12:13:53
[nssdiver] Is this room for
Linux OS?
12:14:51
[Jeremiah] I don't know, but
I'm here waiting for GW to show up.
I do happen to be using
ONX.
12:15:16
[nssdiver] George
Wiseman?
12:15:24
[Jeremiah] yes
12:15:57
[nssdiver] Good, I wasn't
sure if I was in the right room. .
.
12:16:14
[Jeremiah] Me either but
this will do for now
12:16:50
[nssdiver] Have you found
any other rooms? The only choice I
think I had was this Linux
one.
12:17:15
[Jeremiah] I looked, and
that's all we have right
now
12:17:54
[nssdiver] Have you tried
any of GW;s fuel savers?
12:18:07
[Jeremiah] Yes
12:18:23
[nssdiver] any
luck?
12:18:38
[Jeremiah] His EFIE, as well
as a fuel heater, etc
12:19:24
[Jeremiah] With everything I
have done to my car, I have gone
from 49ish mpg to 60ish
12:19:56
[nssdiver] Holy. . . Waht
are you driving?
12:20:23
[Jeremiah] The gas mileage
champion of 1993
12:20:39
[Jeremiah] Geo Metro
XFI
12:20:53
[nssdiver] Honda Civic HX,
or a Geo deathtrap?
12:21:06
[nssdiver] Oh.
12:21:26
[Jeremiah] Yeah I know, not
very safe
12:22:16
[nssdiver] XFI = Fuel
Injected? How do you heat your
fuel?
12:22:46
[Jeremiah] If it wasn't that
my Geo was the lightest car on the
road... it would be
safer
12:23:22
[Jeremiah] All Geo Metros
after 1989 are fuel
injected
12:23:51
[Jeremiah] The XFI has a
modified engine for better
mpg
12:24:34
[Jeremiah] And, it has the
tallest gearing of the lineup of
Metros
12:24:57
[nssdiver] So you don't live
in the mountains. . .
12:25:17
[Jeremiah] Yeah I
do
12:25:58
[Jeremiah] My modified Metro
will keep up real well with the
average slower family
car.
12:26:33
[nssdiver] What is this
rainbow at the bottom?
12:26:53
[nssdiver] Forget
it.
12:26:53
[Jeremiah] I pulled a car
3000 miles with my Metro once. Of
course the car I pulled was no
bigger than what was pulling
it.
12:27:14
[Jeremiah] It's a color
choice
12:28:12
[Jeremiah] Anyways, I've
figured out how to have fun even
with a Geo Metro
12:28:33
[nssdiver] How many
miles?
12:28:57
[Jeremiah] I ran it for a
year with the GEET fuel system as
it's only fuel system
12:29:32
[Jeremiah] Mine has 229,xxx
miles on it sofar
12:29:39
[nssdiver] Could you refresh
me quick.
12:30:08
[nssdiver] Wow, 5k more than
my 93 Accord.
12:31:09
[Jeremiah] Yeah, but I've
only recently learned what to do to
make a Metro engine last a long
time. Mine is on it's 3rd
engn
12:31:50
[nssdiver] Mine is on it's
second, but not even a Honda engine
will last long w/o oil in the 'case.
. .
12:32:28
[Jeremiah] True! though an
additive like Energy Release may
help in that situation
12:32:57
[nssdiver] Is that what you
use in your Metro?
12:33:13
[Jeremiah] yes, right now
anyway
12:34:09
[Jeremiah] I like the bypass
filter and synthetic oil combination
idea, too.
12:34:29
[Jeremiah] I'm thinking of
trying that soon.
12:35:13
[nssdiver] TufOil, or just a
synthetic Mobil 1, etc.
12:35:37
[Jeremiah] I think Mobil 1
is ok
12:36:10
[Jeremiah] The key seems to
be eliminating water from the oil,
preventing acids from
forming.
12:36:39
[nssdiver] Which oil filrer
bypass are you talking about. I
can't remember the one I want to
try.
12:37:15
[Jeremiah] The Gulf Coast
filter that was used on the
semitruck that went a million miles
on the same oil
12:37:37
[Jeremiah] Of course I'd get
the mini version
12:38:16
[nssdiver] Grr. . . Wife
needs my attention. Will try to be
back before 3:00 EST :-(
12:38:32
[Jeremiah] ok
12:47:06
[unknown] will it be
possible to save or print this
sessiong out?
12:47:08
[bryan] Im wondering if
Ozone, O3, which could easily be
generated under hood, could be used
as a combustion enhancer hence fuel
saver in any way.
12:47:15
[unknown]
session
12:47:48
[george] Hi Fellas, I'm
here. Looks like you're doing
great.
12:48:06
[unknown] bryan....it's been
done to some extent. you can draw
small amounts of O3 / Ionized air
out of the distributor
cap...
12:49:47
[peckbn] George..am I to
understand we can get up to 200 mpg
on a modern car using pump
gas?
12:49:50
[george] I will check with
the administrator to see if the
session can be printed
out.
12:50:38
[george] Yes, 200 mpg is
possible on regular 2000-4000 lb
vehicles
12:50:47
[Jeremiah] Ever tried
cracking water using heat and
pressure? Kind of like your 200 mpg
fuel system, George?
12:51:03
[jkmarsing] George, who
practical is it so generate and
store browns gas from sollar
panels
12:51:30
[n60bp] i think "file"
"select all" & "print" wud do
it
12:52:16
[george] I have not tried
pressurizing water and heating it to
a high temperature to 'crack' it
into hydrogen and oxygen. I think
water takes a couple of thousand
degrees to split. I think there
might be catalysts that will help
water split at much lower
temperatures. Water does crack in
the cylinder during
combustion.
12:53:13
[Jeremiah] Ok. I read about
a patent that would allow an oil
furnace to run on water this
way.
12:53:56
[george] I do not recommend
storing Brown's Gas at any time. It
is a potential bomb. We create it '
on demand'.
12:53:57
[bryan] Aside from small
amounts from the distributer cap,
There are ozonators made with pumps
for water purification, aquariums
etc, is combustion enhanced
significantly to make it worth
doing?
12:54:54
[Jeremiah] For the most gain
with the least work, the
hydrogen-boost system looks good to
me.
12:56:10
[george] Ozone would help
combustion. Just like adding extra
oxygen.
12:56:50
[Jeremiah] My Geo Metro has
gone from ~50 mpg to about 60 mpg
using fuel heating, fuel catalyst,
EFIE, and the Jacobs Ignition
system.
12:57:08
[peckbn] What's the best way
to make ozone for injection into an
engine?
12:58:09
[george] I haven't
researched methods to create ozone.
I know there are several very good
generators and technology out
there.
12:59:07
[peckbn] Hydrogen injection
is valid, I used it in the past on a
chevy 350 for a 20% mpg
gain.
12:59:11
[Jeremiah] I still think on
demand BG is a better idea than
ozone, to enhance
combustion.
12:59:24
[nssdiver] [back from
helping wife]
12:59:51
[george] The cracking water
with heat and pressure is a good
idea. I'll have to do some research
on it. There is established research
that I can review.
13:00:17
[peckbn] Since hydrogen
injection is valid, BG injection
would probably be muuch
better.
13:00:49
[Jeremiah] There is a French
patent for running an engine on
water using exhaust
heat.
13:01:08
[george] Brown's Gas, via
the HyZor technology, is an
excellent way to crack water and
enhance combustion. The Hydro-boost
is good too, operating on a slightly
different principle that 'eats'
electrodes.
13:02:13
[Elixsilver] What is BG
comparable to?
13:02:59
[peckbn] George, do you ever
plan on making instructional videos
on any of the fuel-saving methods
such as HyZor or 200
PMG?
13:03:37
[george] Yes, I mention the
French patent in my 'Water as Fuel'
book. It looked a bit complicated
for the backyard inventor but it
seems to have worked.
13:03:54
[Jeremiah] Hmm, am I still
here?
13:04:04
[Jeremiah] ok
13:04:41
[Jeremiah] I don't know if
the French patent worked, but, it's
certainly interesting.
13:04:41
[george] Yes, video's on all
of our technologies will be coming
out. I started a Carburetor Enhancer
video about 10 years
ago.
13:05:42
[bryan] Ive seen plans using
two jars one inside the other lined
with foil, Hi Voltage AC applied and
the Corona discharge generates the
ozone. Using a neon sign transformer
or an ign coil or oil burner
transformer. There are plans on the
net. Search Ozone generator
plans
13:05:43
[george] We're planning to
do a full range of video's and CD's.
The problem is TIME.
13:06:22
[nssdiver] Will you get to
something (video) on HyCO before I
die? (or YOU die,
George?)
13:06:36
[Jeremiah] The oil furnace
idea using steam pressurized to 90
psi and heated to 1500 degrees then
released and burned, would be
cool.
13:07:26
[Elixsilver] OK so I want to
start... Where? which book for a
carb?
13:07:32
[george] I sure hope so.
Which HyCO are you interested
in?
13:08:24
[nssdiver] Gas for FI. Most
of your work favors carbs, which
most new cars no longer
have.
13:08:39
[george] Silver- Start with
the Carburetor Enhancer Manual. You
can get recommendations at:
http://www.eagle-research.com/fuelsav/faq.html
13:08:42
[Elixsilver] How many steps
to do your wife's car,
George?
13:09:24
[george] shhh, my wife is
the listener
13:10:05
[Elixsilver] ...doesn't bode
well...
13:10:09
[peckbn] Our challenge now
is to convert traditional mechanics
to accepting fuel saving technology
and start doing it on a wide scale
in their shops.
13:11:06
[Elixsilver] standardization
seems to be the key. Everybody
promote ER!
13:11:08
[george] HyCO's for gasoline
fuel injected are doing great. So
are the HyZor's
13:11:29
[peckbn] George, I'm hoping
the 200 MPG pocket pal will help
bring some of these mechanics to our
side.
13:11:39
[george] No worries, this
chat was her idea and she's great
13:12:30
[listener] I heard that!
(Okay, this is a girl's way of
addressing the fuel saver and time
thing So far, looks good to me. We
went on a 13 hour trip and over 3
mountain passes there and back on
less than 3/4 tank in my
honda!
13:12:35
[Elixsilver] What's Pocket
Pal?
13:12:44
[studabak] ....... Hello
George......
13:13:24
[george] The nice thing
about eagle-research technology is
that it is an 'interm' step that
will allow mechanics to realize that
gains are possible and that their
training may not be
complete.
13:13:41
[listener] Pocket Pal are a
small format 'pocket-sized booklet
that give a glimpse of a particular
Eagle technology
13:14:09
[Elixsilver] So the job on
Honda is complete? how many steps?
total cost excluding labor? Hours
invested?
13:14:10
[george] Hello
studabak
13:14:47
[listener] I'm married to an
Inventor - they Never get actually
finished!!!
13:14:55
[peckbn] And as I understand
the 200 MPG pocket pal is an
introduction to the complete manual
on how to do it which will come out
later.
13:14:59
[Elixsilver] PP not
listed... Info on first
purchase?
13:15:35
[george] No, the Honda is
just started. I spent some of my
'spare' time this summer fixing it
up. Then I took it to a Honda
mechanic to have then 'tune' it up.
We are now checking the OEM
mileage.
13:15:55
[studabak] ..... George.....
did you ever get over to the
frenchmans web site yet
?
13:16:01
[Jeremiah] Yeah... My Geo
Metro is never finished, either...
13:16:03
[peckbn] Pocket Pal is
listed in current brochure of
publications.
13:16:37
[george] There will be
several steps on the Honda. The
first is to add a fuel filter and a
fuel pressure regulator.
13:16:50
[Elixsilver] Right- so how
many steps do you anticipate with
little down time for
each?
13:16:54
[listener] PP: 4 titles so
far - Why >200 MPG is possible;
Free Energy Receiver; The Gravity
Report; The Buoyancy Report - more
coming; working as fast as we
can
13:17:03
[george] The next step is to
add a vacuum gauge and deceleration
fuel shutoff.
13:17:59
[george] The next step is to
put superior lubricants into it and
so on. I will detail the steps in my
newsletter as I do them.
13:18:00
[Elixsilver] OK PP are the
reports... Got it...
13:19:11
[george] The number of
actual steps will be determined when
my lady says ENOUGH. As she said,
I'm never really finished
13:19:33
[aubug2] what is possible
for mileage improvements for a Dodge
w Cummins, & a 350
GM?
13:20:07
[george] Is the Cummins
turbocharged?
13:20:34
[aubug2] don't have 1 , try
both?
13:20:48
[george] Anyone want to try
the french water cracking
idea?
13:20:57
[Elixsilver] Is free energy
receiver different from f.e.
accumulator?
13:21:14
[peckbn] Is the plan to have
these chats once a
month?
13:21:38
[listener] As long as I can
get in the car and go when I want
without having to get a crash course
in what Not push or what to push or
pull or tweak as I driving, I have
no problem going forward with
whatever methods/devices. In fact,
I'd like a HyZor on my Honda
13:21:43
[Hedgepost] Is there a list
of installers yet?
13:22:04
[george] What is the fuel
system on the350 GM?
13:22:12
[aubug2] maybe H2O cracking
- how does it affect oil change
interval for diesels?
13:22:23
[Jeremiah] I could try a
simpler version of the water
cracking idea if I put steam
injection on my Metro.
13:23:08
[george] No installers list
yet. That's one of the TIME things.
I need to ask everyone if they'd
like to be an installer, have them
fill out the installer registration
form and then list those who
qualify.
13:23:13
[listener] We're trying to
get a list of installers - people
are not responding to the request to
be on it. Any ideas on how to
motivate them? And would a video of
how-to install be helpful if we
can't get the installer thing
happening?
13:23:15
[aubug2] don't yet have 1 of
them either but I assume fuel
injection.
13:23:42
[Jeremiah] As long as I can
get enough heat from the exhaust to
make superheated steam, I can
pressurise it and release it into
the intake.
13:23:50
[george] Yes, steam
injection goes in that
direction.
13:23:52
[bswillinge] I am looking to
install your hyco 2 in my 1989 f150,
How much pressure is put in to gas
tank and how is the pressure
relived?
13:24:40
[nssdiver] Installation
video's YES YES!!!
13:24:44
[Mikele] I would like to be
an installer
13:25:06
[Hedgepost] I'm interested
in Video
13:25:44
[Hedgepost] where are you
mikele?
13:26:29
[Jeremiah] Anyone on this
chat in Utah?
13:26:34
[Mikele] South Africa
(Sorry)
13:26:45
[studabak] .... say.....
George.... do you have a FAX #
?
13:26:56
[aubug2] I'm in
Yuma.
13:26:57
[george] OK, YES! Fuel
savings in possible on 350 GMC. I
have one myself, with the basic CE
(on a quadrajet) I went from 12 to
16 mpg, with the electronic upgrade
I went to 20 mpg.
13:27:01
[Hedgepost] Mikele>
oh...hehe...Missouri
here
13:27:05
[Cal] george, how do you
deal with space limitations of these
smaller cars?
13:27:18
[listener] Eagle-Research
FAX: 250/428-8794
13:27:26
[Elixsilver] Will following
Honda fitting make it easier to
apply carb model, or perhaps
confuse?
13:27:37
[Hedgepost] it would cost a
lot to ship an f150 over there and
back?
13:28:02
[Hedgepost]
<grin>
13:28:31
[nssdiver] George, can you
(or anyone) comment on: TF
Purifiner, Mobil 1 (vs. other
synthetics), TufOil. . .
13:28:39
[george] YES mileage gains
are possible on Cummins. The HyCO
2DT (for turbocharged) has achieved
10% increase in mileag AND 10%
increase in power in multiple
independent tests. This saves
truckers about $10,000 per
yer.
13:30:00
[aubug2] can you do better w
a Cummins Dodge p/u ?
13:30:04
[george] Yes, my Super Gas
Saver Secrets book shows a way to
get exhaust heated steam. Then add
the EFIE, ED or ECE as needed to
control your regular fuel
system.
13:30:12
[Elixsilver] Which simpler
to do~ Diesel Rabbit or 350
chevy?
13:30:13
[Jeremiah] Turbo diesels
benefit from propane injection,
don't they?
13:30:36
[studabak] do you have the
292 cid in the GMC documented up yet
?
13:30:55
[george] The HyCO 2A puts no
pressure in the fuel tank. Do you
have the Manual?
13:31:54
[george] I haven't found a
car I couldn't install a HyCO in.
Sometimes it goes in the
trunk.
13:32:54
[george] I'm reporting the
Honda fitting so that people can
follow it. I get "what do I do
first?" all the time. See my
newsletter to follow the steps I
take with the Honda:
http://www.eagle-research.com/newsletter/newsletter.html
13:32:57
[nssdiver] Battery
relocation kit (~$50) makes lots of
room :-)
13:33:24
[studabak] .......
o.k.
13:33:39
[peckbn] Relocate battery to
where?
13:33:39
[Elixsilver] As a
conspiritorial historian I must
ask... any problems you'd like to
share George?
13:33:40
[aubug2] most people don't
know that when you burn a gal of
fuel, you make a gal of H2O as
steam. If you add more, does the oil
change interval suffer?
13:34:15
[george] Sorry, I can't
comment on most lubricants. I do
have my favorites and techniques but
haven't researched them
all.
13:34:33
[nssdiver] Passenger
compartment (batt is now in a box),
trunk, bed of p/u. . .
13:34:56
[Jeremiah] If you add steam
or water or BG and it reduces the
gas you burn then it will also
reduce the steam you make from
gas.
13:35:03
[Elixsilver] But synthetics
seem to be favored as to lubricants,
right?
13:35:09
[george] If the Cummins is
turbocharged, yes. I got a 40% gain
in a Volkswagon Jetta.
13:35:50
[george] Rabbit and Chevy
about the same time and
money.
13:35:53
[aubug2] on diesels, it gets
important due to the hi sulphur in
the fuel, can cause brg destruction
if interval isn't
maintained.
13:36:39
[george] Yes, any engine
benifits from propane injection.
Some truckers even use propane as
the fuel when they
'deadhead'.
13:37:15
[Elixsilver] Manual says
3000 mi oil chng, Mechanic says
2,000. All agree~ 2000 on
diesel?
13:37:34
[george] No, the 292 fuel
system will be documented in my
extreme mileage book, to come out
'hopefully' this next
fall.
13:38:13
[Jeremiah] THere is the case
of the Gulf Coast filter equipped
semitruck with a million miles on
the same oil and minimal engine
wear.
13:38:16
[aubug2] synthetics do lots
better than just pay their way on
gasoline where there is negligible
sulphur.
13:38:29
[george] I had major
suppression. I spoke about some of
it in my newsletters:
http://www.eagle-research.com/newsletter/newsletter.html
13:38:48
[peckbn] What's the best
brand of oil for an older engine?
One older car mechanic swears by
Valvoline.
13:38:54
[bswillinge] With the hyco2a
sys. changes the air fuel mixture to
a leaner mix, do I need to add a
water injecting to kept tne engine
temp down
13:39:13
[studabak] ....
o.k.
13:39:22
[Elixsilver] Explain
suppression. Is that why you publish
now?
13:39:46
[george] actually, a gallon
of gasoline makes 8 gallons of water
when fully combusted.
13:40:25
[peckbn] Vested interests
don't want us doing this on a wide
scale.
13:41:18
[studabak] ....... a good
book or two for explaining
suppresion are " Browns Book of
Carburation " and " Suppresed
Inventions "....
13:41:19
[Elixsilver] Understood~ I'm
doing same with colloidal silver
That is self-publishing secrets...
Good method
13:41:32
[george] I do favor
synthetics, high oil pressure,
remote sump oil pre-pressure, better
oil filtration and frequent oil
changes.
13:41:59
[overtones] are you going to
get into regrogramming the
chips
13:42:29
[aubug2] suppression
originated over a century ago, is a
background excuse to go into
Afganistan to see if they can
capture pipeline routes
N.
13:42:36
[george] I also favor
regular treatments of 'energy
release', a metal conditioner that
reduces friction to near zero while
hardening the steel
surface
13:42:43
[Elixsilver] Book explain it
all I guess?
13:42:55
[listener] Ever notice how
when fuel prices increase that News
magazines / 'Investigative
Reporting' does a blitz of 'Why fuel
saver and their innovators are
crooks
13:43:05
[Jeremiah] I use Energy
Release, got it from Napa Auto
Parts
13:43:22
[george] I change oil when
it gets dark, regardless of the
miles
13:43:59
[studabak] me
too.
13:44:20
[Elixsilver] energy release~
process or brand?
13:44:41
[Jeremiah] Brand name, ER
for short
13:44:49
[george] LEAN is a big
subject. In the context you mean,
yes, you have to add water injection
to keep the cylinder exhaust
temperatures down.
13:45:08
[studabak] uh...... a
correction.... " Suppressed
Inventions and how they work
"
13:45:13
[Elixsilver] I like Lucas
Oil prod... suggest better
perhaps?
13:45:19
[listener] Energy Release is
a product by Entech Corp. . .
Meridian ID
13:45:48
[studabak] ...... both books
are put out by " Desert Publications
"
13:46:17
[aubug2] what does it take
to become a certified
installer?
13:46:20
[george] I won't be
reprograming chips anytime soon. I
am in contact with people who are
reprograming chips to match my fuel
savers. They are looking to win high
mileage races.
13:46:34
[studabak] back in a
moment........
13:46:55
[peckbn] 25 years ago I read
Mike Brown's original Suppressed
Inventions & How They Work and
that got me going in this field of
alternative technology.
13:47:20
[bswillinge] Do I have to
water injection to the HYCO2A sys to
make it work
13:47:23
[Jeremiah] High mileage
races are fun. I'm in an unofficial
one to see who's Geo Metro gets 100
mpg first.
13:48:12
[george] Yes, I've noted
that. I kills my business every
time.
13:48:38
[Elixsilver] That VW Jetta~
diesel of gas?
13:48:45
[peckbn] Must go, catch ya
on the next chat. This is a great
format for exchange.
13:49:03
[Elixsilver] oops diesel OR
gas?
13:50:00
[Elixsilver] Thank you for
your work, George!
13:50:40
[george] No, the HyCO 2A
will work fine without water
injection. If you tune it properly
you will have cooler exhaust
temperatures. You onnly need to add
water if you cut back too far on the
liquid fuel going into the
engine.
13:50:40
[listener] To be an
Installer, a person needs to have
successfully installed one or more
Eagle technologies and fill out and
send us the testimonial form that
comes with the Eagle
brochures
13:51:15
[overtones] how about
reducing the diameter of the crank
shaft front belt pulley , does it
increase HP and thereby save
gas?
13:51:37
[george] Fella's an hour is
up now. Would you like me to stay
for another half hour?
13:52:13
[Elixsilver] As long as the
questions roll in...
yes!
13:52:24
[george] VW Jetta is
turbocharged diesel.
13:52:31
[aubug2] ok - 1 I have - 82
Datsun 310, does typically 35 now -
what is the maxc possible, your best
guess?
13:52:51
[overtones] what is that
going to cost, george
13:52:56
[nssdiver] I vote for
another 1/2 hr. Can I get a copy of
this chat from somewhwere? I've had
to timeshare w/ the wife, though. .
.
13:53:09
[joeshine] George, I have
been trying to follow up on an order
for the nylon ball used in the HYCO
2DT. I need to know if you have
received it.
13:53:11
[Elixsilver] Perhaps hope to
get such an increase on non-turbo?
44% is nice!
13:53:19
[listener] NEXT CHAT: SUNDAY
JANUARY 20th, 2002 - SUBJECT:
FABULOUS USES OF BROWN'S
GAS
13:53:41
[george] Describe the fuel
system on the Datsun.
13:54:06
[Elixsilver] Same time next
Sunday?
13:54:23
[aubug2] carbureted, calif
hi altitude pkg.
13:54:56
[Jeremiah] I bet some of us
could do this every Sunday- even
w/out George.
13:55:10
[listener] We'll post this
chat on the Eagle site in the next
few days
13:55:24
[Elixsilver]
Agreed~
13:55:29
[Mikele] I'm
game
13:55:36
[nssdiver] How' bout some
time other than the middle of the
day?
13:55:39
[joeshine] I have also been
trying to get info. on the
dimensions of the HYCO 2DT
container, ie. diameter and height.
Can you help now
13:56:00
[listener] SUNDAY JAN. 20th,
2002 CHAT: 3-4 pm EST -
thanks
13:56:17
[george] Orders requests
need to be directed to:
13:56:37
[nssdiver] try a 4" PVC pipe
at 10-12" tall. prelim tests work
fine
13:56:39
[Elixsilver] You're such a
good Listener!
13:56:50
[Mikele] It's 23H00 here,
any later I'm out
13:56:55
[george] order_room at
eagle-research.com but I can tell
you I'm backordered till next
week.
13:57:09
[listener] What time is
preferred - remember we're actually
on Mountain time and will be moving
to Pacific time in ?Feb/March
2002
13:57:53
[george] Non-turbo diesel
increase is possible but requires
much more 'apparatus' to duplicate
the effect.
13:57:54
[Jeremiah] This time is fine
for me, but evenings or mornings are
ok too.
13:58:15
[Mikele] same or earlier
would be fine
13:58:22
[Elixsilver] Thank
you
13:58:43
[Wes] I am about to install
the electroonic diverter with the
HyCo. Will I be able to run the
engine on vapor only without it
heating up too much?
13:58:51
[Elixsilver] I'll do 350
Chevy
13:59:53
[george] OK, on Datsun,
apply the Carburetor Enhancer, will
bounce you into the mid 40's. This
includes all the 'support' stuff as
I'm doing on the Honda. Then add the
HyZor and water injection to get
about 50% increase
total.
14:01:20
[george] HyCO 2DT height,
minimum 10 inches, diameter min. 4.5
inches.
14:01:38
[nssdiver] George, what
happens when you try to drive on
100% vapors w/ HyCO 2A?
14:02:25
[listener] Which How-To
install Video is wanted
first???
14:02:33
[joeshine] Thanks
George.....Anyone else from the UK
in here?
14:02:47
[nssdiver] HyCO 2A is my
vote
14:03:22
[Jeremiah] HyCO 2A sounds
good
14:04:08
[george] No, the HyCO 2A
will only idle small engines. The ED
will allow you to properly
'supplement' vapor with your regular
fuel.
14:04:48
[george] The HyCO 2A causes
the engine exhaust temperature to
decrease.
14:05:38
[aubug2] when using H2O
injection - how pure does the waster
need to be?
14:05:41
[Hedgepost] HyCo 2A
14:05:55
[listener] HyCo 2A it is!
Will slot it into the schedule for
filming in Sprig. Best we can do for
timing. Plate is FULL!
14:07:00
[george] The HyCO 2A does
not provide enough vapors to
actually power a vehicle down the
road. It is supplement only. In
fact, it acts as a catalyist and
it's possible to be puttin in too
much vapors and you lose
mileage.
14:07:42
[george] The cold valor
system (HyCO) and actual true TCC
vapors are entirely different
subjects.
14:08:01
[Wes] If I were to run a
pump to make more vapors for the
HyCO 2A , would I be able to idle on
vapours only and maybe with a
variable valve open it to run for
some of the primaries
too?
14:08:55
[Jeremiah] I ran my Metro on
total vapors using GEET and got less
mpg than I currently am using fuel
injection with addons.
14:08:57
[george] Pure as you can
practically get it. Distilled,
purified or deionized is
OK.
14:10:06
[aubug2] is reverse osmosis
treated H20 good enough?
14:10:41
[Jeremiah] Distilled water
is 58 cents a gallon at
Walmart
14:10:49
[ed_wunder] I would think
that RO water would be good enough -
it takes out the
minerals...
14:11:36
[george] I've tried the pump
idea and so have others. It does
increase the effectiveness of the
HyCO during 'off-idle' because it
becomes an 'active' instead of a
'passive' fuel system. But it
requires time and money to do it
right. Done right, the results
double the possible
gains.
14:11:45
[aubug2] have a unit that
can do 15 gal / day.
14:11:48
[nssdiver] Undersink RO
systems I would NOT recommend. One
for use in a cham lab would be good,
but is very different from a home
use system.
14:11:55
[Elixsilver] RO can
sometimes be overused and not purify
enough
14:12:21
[george] yes, reverse
osmosis is good enough.
14:12:32
[HC] ok
14:12:52
[Elixsilver] Try waterstore
13 stage purification thats Ro
++
14:13:33
[listener] Subject ideas for
other chats?
14:13:50
[ed_wunder]
Hyzor
14:13:58
[Elixsilver]
H.E.A.T.
14:14:25
[nssdiver] BG
14:14:26
[bt] electrolysis for home
h2 making system
14:14:28
[Jeremiah] This was a great
subject, since most of us want to
know how to increase fuel
economy.
14:14:34
[oroy] I built the ED but it
does not seem to work on a 2001
Nissan Truck.
14:14:36
[joeshine] BG
14:14:40
[aubug2] explain spec &
applications more
14:14:46
[oroy] anyone have any
success with newer
vehicles
14:14:48
[Elixsilver] Capacative
"info"
14:15:08
[listener] HyZor will be
included in Jan 20/ 02 chat:
fabulous uses of Brown's
Gas
14:15:14
[aubug2]
[subject]
14:15:21
[nssdiver] Thanks
George
14:15:33
[oroy] My injectors seem to
operate at 0.3volts.
14:15:35
[george] You need to contact
me by email to trouble-shoot your
ED
14:15:39
[ed_wunder] How do you get
the computer to stop fighting EFIE,
HyCO, HyZor, etc.?
14:16:19
[ed_wunder] I have heard
somewhere that you can "reset" it -
does anyone know how this is done?
Dangers to removing the chip?
Etc...
14:16:21
[george] do you mean
fighting?
14:16:36
[listener] 5 minutes to go
14:16:42
[Jeremiah] My computer is
comfortable with EFIE since I have a
high flow air filter and a cold air
"ram" intake on the front
bumper.
14:17:03
[george] To re-set computers
I recommend consulting your
dealer.
14:17:16
[ed_wunder] Fighting - as
in, putting the vehicle into "limp"
mode...
14:17:32
[ed_wunder] What if they
don't cooperate - can any mechanic
do this?
14:17:57
[Jeremiah] Put lots of air
in, and the injectors can continue
to put fuel in at the normal rate
but be running leaner
14:18:00
[overtones] Thanks Grorge
this is great, Happy
Thankgiving
14:18:05
[overtones] Thanks Grorge
this is great, Happy
Thankgiving
14:18:43
[ed_wunder] The newer cars
seem to "learn" as you drive - I'd
like it to "unlearn" all of its bad
habits!!
14:18:56
[ewalling] hello, how is
everyone?
14:19:09
[george] Mechanics are
supposed to know, but sometimes do
not. If your local dealer won't
help, then contact the company and
complain; and ask how to reset
it.
14:19:42
[ed_wunder] OK - Thanks,
George!
14:19:56
[aubug2] what test equipment
do you recommend?
14:20:11
[Jeremiah] Yes, thanks for
the chat, George!
14:20:12
[george] Preventing the
computer from going into 'limp' mode
starts with adjustment of the EFIE,
then small adjustments on each of
the other devices
14:20:38
[listener] Eagle- Research
e-news: December 2/01 . . . NEXT
CHAT: Sun Jan 20th, 2002 3-4 pm EST
Happy Thanksgiving
14:20:57
[Mikele] Thanks George &
Listener keep up the GOOD
WORK
14:21:13
[george] You WILL go into
limp at some point, just keep that
point in mind, reset the computer
and don't go there
14:21:27
[ed_wunder] Over what
time-frame for these "small"
adjustments? Hours of running, days,
weeks? Or just feel it out. I'm not
much of a mechanic, I'm
afraid...
14:21:38
[george] Thanks for making
this a very nice chat.
14:21:52
[george] I'll 'see' you all
next time.
14:22:11
[george] You can email me
questions
14:22:34
[listener] QUESTIONS: email
george
<wiseman@eagle-research.com>
14:24:16
[oroy] Since I got my
timezones wrong is there a way to
get a copy of the chat ?
14:24:47
[Jeremiah] It's supposed to
be posted to the eagle research web
site
14:24:58
[oroy] thanks
14:24:59
[listener] OOPS! Who's been
here since the beginning? I left the
room and the chat got deleted from
my screen. Anybody have the whole
thing?
14:25:01
[Jeremiah] in a few
days
14:25:59
[Jeremiah] I don't have the
whole thing, because of software,
but have been here 2
hours
14:26:57
[listener]
Pllllleeeeezzzzzzeeee Copy and email
to me: Tenaj DaCosta Wiseman
,monarch@eagle-research.com>
14:27:29
[Wes] I missed the forst
couple of minutes is all. The rest
is there.
14:28:21
[listener] PLeezzzzzzzzeee
Anyone who has it all, copy and
emial to Tenaj
14:31:57
[studabak] .... so I guess I
missed George......
14:34:45
[oroy] hopefully wes has it
all I have is from 2:07 Mountain
time. Basically 15 min
worth.
14:37:43
[Wes] Just sent it to her.
Hope she got it all
14:39:25
[Wes] George, I still have
it on my screen. Let me know if
Tanaj got it.
14:42:13
[listener] Whew! We got the
whole chat. It will be posted on the
Eagle site. Thanks for your help
Wes
14:42:54
[listener] NEXT EAGLE CHAT:
SUNDAY JANUARY 20, 2002 3-4 pm
EST
14:43:09
[Wes] Glad to help, see ya
soon. By for now
14:44:04
[studabak] ..... George....
lost my connection..... can I get a
copy of this chat from someone
?
14:45:06
[listener] (Studabak) Chat
will be posted on Eagle site in next
few days
14:46:12
[george] Fella's, I came
back in to deal with this archive
situation. You can get a full copy
by using the command
/save
14:46:48
[studabak] ....... o.k.
....... I want to use the fac # to
send George my idea on total vapor
delivery system... also ( cold
process )
14:48:28
[man] You can read about how
to save all the chat text in the
tutorial under the 'exit' button.
You can come back after figuring it
out.
15:38:03
[100Mpg] hey
everybody
15:50:23
[100Mpg] Hey George , I
tried installing an EFIE in a 95
Lincoln Towncar. It has 2-02 sensors
that have seperate wires running to
the computer. Do I need to use two
EFIE's and set them the same or is
there a way around this.
15:51:16
[100Mpg] We got the wire
color for each 02 sensor but still I
needed expert advice.
15:59:16
[bnkoool] hello is anybody
out here? or is the system running
slow?
16:06:43
[100Mpg] ya its modem
connection
16:08:48
[Mike] Hello how slow is
slow? I have never been in a chat
room before.
16:10:28
[100Mpg] pretty slow , cable
is much faster but it also depends
on how many people are on chatting
too
16:16:22
[Mike] I would like to build
a water torch, but I do not have the
time to make the plates and properly
clean them. Is there anywhere or
anyone that can supply me with
premade and cleaned plates? If so
how much will they cost
me?
17:11:13
[100Mpg] is there anyone out
there?
17:12:06
[100Mpg] hello
jackvg?
17:13:48
[100Mpg] jackvg>
hello
17:15:07
[100Mpg] Hey there George
(question for George) I'll be
contacting you via e-mail seeing
that this chat room is slow have fun
=)
17:26:50
[Larry1] Hello I guess there
is just two people in the chat, hass
Mr.Wiseman log in? yet
17:31:00
[Larry1] I see the chat room
idea is not working to well, I'll
check back later.
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