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14:57:42
[Tom] Hello all
14:57:57
[George] Lets' make Money with
the magic of Brown's Gas
14:58:30
[George] Anyone have any
specific interests or
questions?
14:58:48
[Tom] How many do you expect at
the november meeting?
14:58:51
[kidmarc] Hello
14:59:23
[ldm] I would think I would
team up with people with welding
experience, as I have practically
none.
15:00:22
[ldm] I'll start with some
technical questions. How much power
does the ER1150 and ER1200 use for
maximum gas rate?
15:00:49
[George] Idm, Please send me an
email and I'll include your request in
my next newsletter.
15:01:22
[ldm] Do you think this can
replace electric welding?
15:02:33
[ldm] Has there been a business
model built to convince welders to
purchase this and when to expect the
payoff?
15:03:05
[ldm] Are there any niche
welding markets it would excel
in?
15:03:18
[George] Idm, all
Eagle-Research machines are based on 3
Wh per Liter of BG produced. So 1,000
liters/ hour would use 3 Kwh
15:03:26
[Tenaj] Tom, If the November 15
& 16/02 meeting are anything like
the last 3 meetings, we can expect 30 -
40 attendees
15:03:38
[ldm] How much routine
maintenance is there? Cleaning?
Replacing wear parts?
15:03:55
[ldm] What is the expected
lifetime of the machine?
15:04:41
[ldm] Does auto-filling mean it
uses tap water?
15:04:53
[George] Idm, NO torch can
compete with electric welding options.
Water torches are superior to all other
Torches, for torch work.
15:04:56
[Tom] Good questions, Idm, I
was curious about that too
15:07:42
[ldm] It would seem that
bottled gas on a wheeled cart is
portable. I assume it needs an
electrical generator for portable
work.
15:07:53
[George] Idm, there are a huge
number of niche markets that BG either
excels in or creates entirely new
markets, see
http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/fabuses/possib.html
15:09:17
[ldm] I was told of the use of
lasers to weld big components - axles
of ships to propellors. Can BG displace
the laser welding?
15:09:37
[George] Idm, There is no
maintance except to add water, parts do
not wear,ER WaterTorches are designed
for minimum 20 year
lifespan.
15:10:49
[George] Idm, man you are a
question machine J No, auto-filling
would still use distilled or deionized
water
15:11:18
[Tom] George, can you give
describe a little more about how Eagle
Reseach plans to market the BG
generators to the various nitch
markets?
15:11:56
[Tenaj] Yes! Water Torch
Collective, Ltd. has a marketing plan
that will entice welders to want an ER
WaterTorch. Payback depends on type of
work, size of operation etc. Comparison
charts currently being compiled. Will
be posted on
http://www.watertorch.com
15:12:22
[ldm] Thanks. Understanding,
and identification & management of
risks are important points.
15:13:03
[George] Idm, Although the ER
Watertorches are portable, they are not
entirely generator compatible. They can
be used with a generator if you run a
continous parrallel load of at least
500 watts
15:13:23
[kidmarc] George: Are the
politically hot Brown's Gas uses
discussed in detail (how-to) in the
Leader of the Pack Meetings?
15:14:21
[ldm] Is a parallel load
required to "regulate" the output of
the generator?
15:14:27
[George] Idm, It is possible to
replace laser welding in some cases. BG
is also superior in plasma spray
applications.
15:15:09
[Tenaj] Sorry, it is not yet
strategic to disclose the specifics of
the marketing plan, just yet. First
step, (of 'big picture' plan) is
education - which we have begun with
the manufacture of the
ER1200
15:16:09
[ldm] I think there is
potential here, it just my extermely
limited understanding of welding that
makes me question.
15:16:24
[Tom] I was curious if you plan
to get them into stores, or sell them
at trade shows, or through
distributors?
15:17:38
[pat] Can a BG unit replace a
Tig torch?
15:17:57
[George] Idm, the parrallel
load is to absorb voltage spikes
created by the unique power supply of
the ER Torches. These spikes are not
created when the torch is used on the
Grid. They are a result of the way the
Watertorch asks for power, either full
on or full off.
15:18:32
[Tenaj] (answering for George)
Yes! the 'hot' issues are talked about
at the 'Leader of the Pack' events
(once we fingerprint and take people's
pictures just kidding!
15:19:30
[George] pat, If you mean a tig
welder, NO. If you mean an actual tig
torch, YES.
15:19:41
[Tenaj] The ER1200s are being
sold warehouse direct and through
distributors
15:20:10
[ldm] Are the units certified
for FCC EMI regulations in the US? EMI
in Canda? EMI in Europe?
15:20:39
[ldm] Are there any other
certifications? UL? VDE?
CSA?
15:22:17
[George] Idm, There is no
certification on the machines of any
kind. They were designed to exceed all
certifications of which we are aware,
but it is NOT our current intention to
put them through the actual
testing.
15:23:03
[ldm] Have you considered
zero-voltage crossing switching and a
ramp-up of current to reduce the
electrical spikes?
15:23:42
[George] Idm, It is our
understanding that such testing is NOT
required to actually market the
machines.
15:24:50
[ldm] Yes, but such testing can
alleviate problems in injury
lawsuits.
15:25:07
[Tom] About how many units have
been produced so far? What is your
production capacity now with the
facility in Penticton?
15:25:50
[George] Idm, it is also our
understanding that once started, the
testing IS required and there is no
guarantee of cost or time frame. So by
building to exceed specifications and
using CSA/UL components we actually
start making money.
15:26:39
[George] Idm, we will be
certifying the large commercial
units
15:27:53
[George] Idm, we have other
means to mitigate potential lawsuits
and have had excellent legal advise
before we even started.
15:29:00
[Tenaj] At the November event
we'll again be offering energy healing
BG 'treatments' from a chiropractor who
has been treating patients for 18 mths.
now.
15:30:09
[pat] Could you go over how
some people are using the BG
units.
15:30:31
[Tenaj] When this
chiropractor's home-built BG machine
(built from plans in Brown's Gas book
2) broke down he drove straight to us
to buy an ER1200
15:30:35
[George] Idm, yes I've
considered many power supply options,
looking for the most efficientl
solutions. The problem isn't ramp up or
zero crossing, it's what the generator
does when a 4 Kw load is suddenly taken
off. I can easily design 'ramp-down'
electronics but they are less
efficient. I decided to go for the
simplest, most efficient solution for
now.
15:32:23
[Tenaj] Sorry I have to do this
bit of info in parts - I keep gettng
disconnected) Some of his patients want
ONLY the healing energy of BG now. He
couldn't afford to be without a
machine!
15:33:05
[George] Tom, We currently have
the pre-production assembly line in
Penticton, capable of 6 units a
week.
15:33:32
[Tom] Do you plan on
advertising the units to health
professionals? which markets are you
going after first?
15:35:44
[George] pat, Wow, they number
of ways people are using the machines
could fill a book. I'd recommend
vistiting http://www.watertorch.com to
see a partial list of the applications,
each one worth millions or billions of
dollars.
15:36:09
[Tenaj] To date we have
produced 30 machines here in Penticton,
BC Canada. So far they have been
shipped to Canada, England, Japan and
the USA. Orders/enquiries coming in
from around the globe.
15:37:55
[George] pat, there are so many
applications that it'd be better to ask
you what you are interested in? Do you
want to manufacture something? live
healthier? Drive further on your fuel?
The potential uses for BG will affect
every area of our lives.
15:38:57
[ldm] How are patients treated?
By breathing BG? By drinking water from
"burnt" BG?
15:38:58
[kidmarc] So you are back
ordered by how many months and how are
you rectifying this?
(NOTE:
This question got missed. Kidmarc, at
this time we are backordered only about
2 weeks. We've done all these sales
with NO advertising and quite frankly
did not want to advertise because we
couldn't fill the demand. The
pre-production assembly line has
fulfilled it's purpose to work out
manufacturing kinks. We already are
talking to mass-manufacturer's. We are
also starting to advertise.
)
15:39:03
[Tenaj] Cutting industry hold
onto your boots! . . . Because BG is so
obviously superior in this arena and
the only thing the operators want to
know is: Does it work? Does it faster,
better, cheaper??? yes! yes! and
YES!!!
15:40:19
[pat] I would more info on ore
refining
15:40:38
[George] pat, mostly people are
figuring out ways to use BG to make
money, either by renting or selling
equipment or by selling products and
services created with BG.
15:42:01
[Tenaj] Brown's Gas, in the
cutting industry, is straight-forward
and non-controvercial. Above all, until
we get into 'position', we intend to be
visibly credible.
15:43:27
[Tenaj] Actually, a health
professional has approached us as a
potential manufactureer. We'll be going
into dicussions sometime this
fall.
15:43:32
[George] pat, I have some ore
refining information here. In fact, it
was an 'angel' at a mine that financed
a lot of our initial BG research.
Generally, BG flame treated ore
produces greater quantities of metal
from the original mineral
sample.
15:44:53
[George] pat, a copper ore
report I have shows three times greater
metal recovery, using conventional
techniques after the ore was 'flamed'
with BG.
15:45:36
[Tenaj] From what we observe,
patients receive surface
'treatments'.
15:46:10
[George] pat, this means that
old mine tailings piles will produce
more metal than the original mine did.
Think of the Trillion$ there
…
15:46:17
[ldm] Are patients heated with
burning BG?
15:48:17
[Tenaj] Health Question: The
surface 'treatments' apply just the
gas, Not the flame to the patient's
skin/muscle/joint . . .
15:49:26
[ldm] The treatments sound
interesting. Do you have a list of
people practicing? Maybe there is one
near me.
15:49:43
[George] Idm, the BG heal
wounds, relaxes muscles, mitigates
joint problems with a combination of
oxygen and hydrogen. Most illness today
is caused or worsened by
dehydration.
15:51:08
[George] Idm, dehydration is
lack of hydrogen. Hydrogen is
absolutely needed by the body. Note: It
is possible to drink water (and many
other fluids) that are actually
dehydrating.
15:52:32
[George] Idm, BG treated water
(by bubbling the gas through the water)
becomes EXTREMELY hydrating when people
drink it.
15:52:42
[kidmarc] George/Tenaj: Has
anyone tried BG treated water (or
catalyst altered water) and reused it
in a BG machine to see what would
happen?
15:52:59
[ldm] I can understand that
from the theory of osmosis and personal
experience.
15:53:25
[Tom] It appears that Eagle
Research is doing pretty well. Is the
watertourch collective a spin-off of
the Browns gas part of your
business?
15:54:03
[George] Idm, BG absorbed by
the skin goes straight to the injury
and starts hydrating.
15:54:39
[ldm] George and Tenaj, thank
you for the chat, I must excuse
myself.
15:56:31
[George] BG treated water gives
me a lift like drinking coffie, without
all the negative side
effects.
15:57:03
[Tom] Do you just mix the BG
into the water and drink it?
15:57:49
[Tenaj] NEXT CHAT: Sat. Nov.
23/02 2pm PST - Eagle-Research begins
Electric Vehicle
experimentation.
15:58:32
[George] Tom, Eagle-Research is
doing extremely well at getting BG off
the ground. This has caused other lines
of research to be neglected.
15:58:32
[Tenaj] Time to sign
off?
15:59:10
[Tom] Will you have electic
vehicles on display at the November
meeting?
15:59:27
[kidmarc] I don't know why my
questions don't appear.
(Note:
see above)
16:00:13
[George] Tom, Yes the Water
Torch Collective, Ltd. is a spinoff of
Eagle-Research. A company started to
take over a nicely developed
technology. Now Eagle-Research can get
the next product ready for
market.
16:00:57
[George] kidmarc, I see you
now
16:00:58
[Tom] are electric vehicles
next?
16:01:15
[kidmarc] George/Tenaj: Has
anyone taken BG altered water (or
catalyst altered water) and reused it
in a BG machine to see what
happens?
16:02:48
[George] kidmark, BG enhanced
water is 'created' already in the
machine. Putting more back in would not
increase efficiency.
16:04:40
[Tom] It seems to be really
slow
16:04:49
[Tenaj] Chat program seems to
be having problems. haven't had this
before.
16:05:07
[George] kidmarc, BG enhanced
water is created in the electrolyzer
already.
16:05:49
[Tenaj] Sorry about chat
program glitches. Will have chat moved
to Eagle site by next chat. Should be
problem-free
16:06:29
[Tom] I plan on attending the
next BG meeting. Looking forward to
meeting you and learning
more.
16:06:33
[George] Tom, electric vehicles
are the next Chat because
Eagle-Research is going to experiment
with them.
16:07:02
[kidmarc] Yes I know. I was
wondering if anyone has taken hydrated
water (catalyst or BG) and used it in a
BG machine to see if that furthers a
process?
16:07:09
[George] See you all
16:07:15
[Tenaj] Thank you all for
joining us here. See you in
November.
16:08:17
[George] Thank you for a great
Chat, see you next time
16:08:48
[Tenaj] NEW PRODUCTS COMING
SOON: See Water Burn! Fabulous Uses of
Brown's Gas - Video
16:08:55
[Tom] I will be driving through
your area next month. I would like to
stop and get some of your literature to
read before the next BG
meeting.
16:09:30
[kidmarc] Ciao
16:09:35
[Tenaj] NEW PRODUCT: Get More
MPG! How-to install a HyCO 2A -
video
16:10:42
[George] Tom, you are welcome
to come and see what's up. We are busy,
so please don't expect much
time.
16:10:58
[Tom] Thanks for chatting. Good
luck to you. I'll let you get back to
your research now.
16:11:31
[Tenaj] Next BG MINI (max 2
hours) Demo: penticton, BC, Canada -
Sept. 19/02; Oct. 17/02
16:12:37
[Tenaj] New BG colour brochure
going to print this coming week. See
Water Burn video available early
October/02
16:14:15
[Tom] Bye
16:14:29
[Tenaj] Thanks again for
sharing time and your interest in
alternative energy. Bye
16:37:06
[joe6966] Is this meeting still
on?
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