Frequently Asked Questions - Water as Fuel

No.  

Adding water helps the engine in several ways, including REDUCING the water the engine needs to handle.

Engines normally handle a LOT of water, because each gallon of gasoline turns into 9 gallons of water; which is why the 'advise' of having to use stainless steel valves, when you add water injection, is a MYTH.
 
Because of more efficient combustion, adding water injection normally REDUCES the amount of water the engine has to handle.  
For example: Assume a combination of Water Injection and HyZor gains 50% fuel economy with no power or performance loss.  
You've just replaced 50% of the fuel with water (1/2 gallon).  The engine now creates only 4.5 gallons of water from the combustion of the 1/2 gallon of gasoline.  4.5 plus 0.5 is 5 gallons of water instead of 9 gallons of water.  You just REDUCED the volume of water the engine has to handle by 4 gallons for every gallon of fuel burned!
 
Brown's Gas (BG) contains a large percentage of hydrogen, which turns into water when burned.  But the volume of water is practically insignificant.  In our HyZor we recommend about 1 amp per liter of engine displacement.  With the C version HyZor Technology, running at 5 amps, this will create about 15 liters (of BG per hour) from about 8 mL (0.27 oz) of water.  The engine won't even notice 1/3 of an ounce of water per hour.
 
As for the myth of hydrogen embrittlement, see this FAQ: (click
 
The only way to get rust in the cylinders or rings is to eliminate the oil film and GASOLINE is much better at doing that than water.  I suspect people who 'experienced' engine rusting were flooding their engines with excess gasoline, then even the moisture in air can rust the unprotected metal.  
 
The same goes for the exhaust system.  Exhaust systems usually rust from the inside out and they will do so whether you add water or not; though adding water, as explained above, will reduce the volume of water that is going through the exhaust.  
It's a good idea to drill a small hole in a low point in your muffler; this will allow water to drain out and help the muffler last a lot longer.  Another idea is to get a lifetime guaranteed muffler.  Personally I prefer to get stainless steel mufflers.
 

 

When using gasoline, we're using about 1 BTU per power stroke.  Is it practical to use water for fuel when hydrogen has little BTU per volume?  Assuming we were using BG (HHO) as a fuel (instead of a catalyst), How much BG would we need to use to get the same power?

First, Read this blog, about the 14.7:1 air:fuel mixture LIE to understand that you do not need 1 BTU per power stroke to get full power from the engine.

I personally idled a 140 ci engine (in my 1974 Vega) at 500 rpm with 3000 liters per hour of Brown's Gas (see my Brown's Gas video 2).

In an hour the engine would have pumped 850 cubic feet of air = 68.65 lbs.  BG contains 2 atoms of hydrogen for every atom of oxygen, so 3000 liters of BG is 2000 liters of hydrogen.  Hydrogen weighs 0.000198 lb per liter so 2000 liters weighs 0.396 lbs.  Thus my ACTUAL air:hydrogen air:fuel ratio was 173.36:1 and I only needed 50 liters per minute to idle the engine.

When I do the experiment again I will:
1. Eliminate the throttle plate.  The throttle is only needed when trying to burn a fluid (gasoline) that must be turned into a vapor to burn.  The vacuum created by the throttle plate helps vaporize the fuel.  I have run engines at full power on gasoline vapors with NO throttle plate.  The energy required to make the vacuum (just to idle) is the same as the energy needed to move a 4 door sedan 35 mph on a level road.

2. Adjust the ignition timing.  Hydrogen burns really fast.  I did not adjust the ignition timing during my experiments shown in Brown's Gas Video 2 and thus I think that the engine was actually losing power because the combustion was happening too soon (spark too far advanced).  The combustion would have been building too much pressure before top dead center and actually fighting the upward movement of the piston on the compression stroke.  Retarding the timing would have allowed me to use LESS fuel.

In spite of the two items above, the engine ran extremely smooth on BG.  I work with fuel systems everyday and have seldom seen a smoother idling engine.  I did not look at the flame in a colotune.

Now even the government allows that hydrogen can burn at 180:1 air:fuel mixture as per...  
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/tech_validation/pdfs/fcm03r0.pdf
Stoichiometric air/fuel (A/F) ratio for hydrogen and air is:
A/F based on mass:
= mass of air/mass of fuel
= 137.33 g / 4 g
= 34.33:1
Also they state
"Because of hydrogen’s wide range of flammability, hydrogen engines can run on A/F ratios of anywhere from 34:1 (stoichiometric) to 180:1."

Rich to lean air:fuel ratio burn limits for external combustion of hydrogen is 4:1 - 70:1

Hydrogen has about 9.54 BTU per SPT liter.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_btu_in_one_litre_of_hydrogen
0.08988 grams per liter (= 0.000198 lb)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hydrogen
(= 0.000198 lb)
http://www.metric-conversions.org/weight/grams-to-pounds.htm

So, if we assume we need 0.954 BTU per power stroke (which, when using hydrogen, I assure you that you do not) then you'd use 48000 liters per hour or 800 liters/minute.

However, when running on hydrogen we know that we only need 180:1 air:fuel ratio (or less) so that comes to 343/180 = 1.9 lbs of hydrogen or (1.9/0.000198) = 9596 liters of H2 per hour or 160 liters of H2 per minute.

All that said... Your question was 

"with numbers by BTU ratings I'm not sure there is ANYONE who can produce the 700 liter per min requirement needed to run an engine off straight water please straighten me out on this am i right or wrong ???"


My answer is: maybe someone can produce that volume, I don't know.  I've had experiments spontaneously give results like that (I call it Hyper-Gas) so I believe it is possible, but I don't know if anyone is doing it.  I'm 99% certain that several people have done it and been suppressed.

In any case, I also hope I've shown you that 800 liters/minute are NOT needed, it can be done with much less.

May the blessings be

George

A. Not yet.

There are rumors about inventors that have accomplished this dream and they seem to have been suppressed.  

Here at Eagle-Research we are trying to duplicate past successes and distribute the technology directly to the public.

There will be NO patents and our 'public domain' books assure that no one else will be able to get a patent either.

We are finding that this 'no-patent' technique 'bypasses' traditional vested interest suppression and actually gets working technology out to the pubic.  

In our 'Water as Fuel' experiments we've had projects that spontaneously worked for short periods of time.

We still don't know the 'key' to making a practical 'water fuel' system.  

The most practical we have is the HyZor Technology and our Water Injection Manual which allow engines to run partially on water. Depending on the fuel, we've seen reports as high as 90% water.

A. Not with our technology at this time.

We are currently concentrating on the type of technology that enhances carbon-based fuel combustion.  See this PDF for a full explaination (click)

We are researching several 'Water as Fuel' options.   We have reason to believe that water CAN be used as a fuel, but we do not, yet, know how to do it.

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